Posts by Hold Me-Thrill Me

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David Schafer's Mistake

by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

thanks cappytan for posting the thread "jehovah's people as a whole can never be corrupted".

it's a sad example of how low in simple reading skills the present gb and their helpers are.

david schafer referred to philippians 4:7 on jw broadcasting.

The current leadership is unable to keep it together. They're great at building brick and mortar structures but are a fail in building a loving structure that shelters the friends, gives them a home where they are safe and well fed. The Governing Body likes to say how much they love us and how wonderful the Kingdom will be and how we just have to keep going and keep preaching and we'll all get there together. But they are a facade, they are not real. They are like the orchestra on the Titanic. Nice music but it won't save the ship.

Anthony Morris is haughty and believes humiliation is a good teaching tool, Splane's mind is always somewhere else as if he is already in heaven leading an angelic chorus in a new song, Lett is slippery with over the top love masking a hardness, and so on. But those traits are just the outward symptoms of the real problem. The real problem is that they are spiritually DRY. They have no real food to give they are sad men in positions they cannot bear the weight of. They are in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The overlapping generation "theory" was so bad, so stupid in fact, that they exposed themselves with it. They exposed their desperation, any passing piece of debris that would keep them afloat a little longer was good enough. Polish it, present it and move on because the friends are a bunch of sheep who will swallow whatever we give them...appears to be their thinking.

The old GB finally died off in 2010 leaving us these lost boys who cannot truly read the Bible so they decided to entertain us instead. And so the endless stream of videos and Caleb and JW Broadcasting. All there to keep the friends entertained so that perhaps they do not see that their house is a house of cards about to fall around them.

More and more will leave, more and more are leaving if not physically then mentally. I am one of them, one of thousands who feel the shift toward something we did not sign up for. We signed up because we love God and Christ we did not sign up to follow the Governing Body into spiritual hell.

Thanks to all for their comments on this thread.

Frank

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David Schafer's Mistake

by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

thanks cappytan for posting the thread "jehovah's people as a whole can never be corrupted".

it's a sad example of how low in simple reading skills the present gb and their helpers are.

david schafer referred to philippians 4:7 on jw broadcasting.

Hold Me-Thrill Me

Thanks Cappytan for posting the thread "Jehovah's people as a whole can never be corrupted". It's a sad example of how low in simple reading skills the present GB and their helpers are. David Schafer referred to Philippians 4:7 on JW Broadcasting. Note the total misapplication of the word "understanding" in the his talk:

David Schafer said:

"If you tap the 6 on your iPad at Phil. 4:6, you’ll notice that the King James renders this verse “Be careful for nothing…” which sounds like an exhortation to worry needlessly, exactly the opposite of what Phil. 4:6,7 is encouraging us to do.

"Namely, “Do not be anxious over anything, but in everything, by prayer and supplication along with thanksgiving, let your petitions be made known to God and the peace of God that surpasses all understanding will guard your hearts and your mental powers by means of Christ Jesus.”

"Now, I invite you to use the bookmark feature of your JW Library as we’ll return here.
But now, regarding the comments in our text today that have to do with stumbling, how is it, what are some sorts of understanding that are surpassed by the peace of God.

"Sometimes, when a person is mistreated, he thinks, and rightly so, that this sort of thing ought not to happen in Jehovah’s organization.
How might the peace of God surpass that understanding?
One way is that Jehovah reminds us through his word that sometimes things happen in Jehovah’s organization that ought not to happen."

Further on he says:

"So, how is it that this brother that disappointed me can maintain a good standing?
That is a form of understanding.
How does the peace of God surpass that understanding?
Well, one way is that it brings back to our minds the Christian Greek Scriptures are full of counsel directed to us to help us put up with those who have given us a legitimate cause for complaint." (end quote)

The brother is missing the whole point of the scripture. The "peace of God that surpasses all understanding" does not refer to an "understanding" that someone may have but rather that the peace of God exceeds our understanding, it is beyond our understanding, it is unfathomable. Barnes commentary says, "The expression is one that denotes that the peace imparted is of the highest possible kind." It is a peace that surpasses our ability to understand it that is how powerful Paul is saying it is; not that a man's understanding of something is surpassed by God's peace.

When I first watched the video I walked away not knowing what to make of it. It brought such sadness that here was another example of poor scriptural application by the present GB and their helpers. They are not careful. Brother Herd said he spends quite a bit of his time reading what is given him to read I presume by the writing dept. It shows! Who is at the helm? Not Jehovah. And certainly not the GB. I believe its Helpers Inc. who are in charge.

Frank- an active Jehovah's Witness

(Again my thanks to Cappytan)

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just a question

by poopie in

jw
friends

what percentage would you say of all jehovah's witnesses really 100 percent follow the shunning decree to the letter just answer with a percent thank you

Hold Me-Thrill Me

Poopie:

Following the shunning rule 100% "to the letter" outside the KH is only done by a minority of the publishers. Smiles, nods, small talk etc happen frequently outside the KH. The very fact that the GB finds it necessary to continually stomp on the issue proves most are not holding to "the letter" 100% of the time. And in some congregations there are a few who will not follow the rule even inside the KH.

Shunning is unnatural, the GB is requiring an unnatural behavior which along with running a marathon at sprint speed is causing many JWs to be stressed to the extreme. Not healthy mentally or physically.

Also I will add that as time passes the shock wears off people start to mellow and find harder to completely shun. From my experience at least.

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Protect governing body with your life

by Zoos in

there was a quote in the literature some years back about protecting the governing body from secular authorities and insinuated that we should do whatever it took to insure their safety.. i seem to remember it was something about refusing to help the authorities locate the governing body.

i may be off track here.

if this is familiar to you could you please help me find the quote?.

Hold Me-Thrill Me

Zoos, I never heard nor read that. But I can imagine some in the congregation feeling that way. The Governing Body members are their leaders, shepherds, and like most people they would protect their leaders. That's just human nature.

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child custody

by zebulon in

this is my first post.

i have been an everyday reader of this site for well over three years.

also jwfacts, jwstruggle, silentlambs, etc.

Hold Me-Thrill Me

Zebulon,

I'm sorry to hear of the trouble you and your family find yourselves in. You said your daughter was born in 2003 that would make her 12 years old this year. Is there not some way you and your wife can have joint custody? So that she is not torn from one parent by the other? That would be a hard experience and a negative memory that will last a lifetime.

All the best to you and your family,

Frank

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just a question

by poopie in

jw
friends

what percentage would you say of all jehovah's witnesses really 100 percent follow the shunning decree to the letter just answer with a percent thank you

Hold Me-Thrill Me

10%

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How to change some significance of 1914.

by sloppyjoe2 in

i first do not think they will change anything about 1914 for at least 20 or more years but one day it will have to happen.

since 1914 is their meal ticket and they have it in print prior to the year happening, they will never abandon the year altogether.

they have too much tied into 1914-1919 as well as have held onto it for too long.

Hold Me-Thrill Me

Steve2, I agree. They must keep 1914, they will keep 1914.

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Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

by willmarite in

on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

Hold Me-Thrill Me

Loving our neighbor is a good thing.

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New KH design announcement?

by StarTrekAngel in

has there been any official announcement made regarding the new kh design?

i am asking because i know some publishers on my cong that already seen the pics from elders who attended the presentation.

also made me wonder how long would it be before they have to dedicate a section of the meeting (local needs?

Hold Me-Thrill Me

In the 50's the Kingdom Halls in the U.S. I attended were simple meeting places. No formal entryways with mirrors and flower arrangements just clean and functional. The floors were linoleum tiles, the chairs folding, and thanks to God...windows on the side walls.

I do not like the strip mall office look of the new halls but I do think it good to go back to a more simple meeting place where murals, pillars, etc. are not the focal point and where infants can be bottle fed without worrying about the seats getting stained. We went into a material stage and if this change can do a little turn around on that I'm for it.

Simple is good.

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Theories on the increasing appearances of the new GB aide?

by Lemonp in

i have noticed that younger guy appearing more and more on jw tv and in special talks.

can't remember his name but he is middle aged, greying, but has a business exec look about him.. is this guy the next gen of gb members?

or is he just an aide to help them about etc?

Hold Me-Thrill Me

I believe the current GB is not up to the task. They are using the next generation to keep it all together. They appear to me to be hanging on by the skin of their teeth. They do not have the same strength of purpose or vitality present in Knorr's day. New ideas are the thing today, new gadgets and videos, not spiritual strength.

I'm expecting them to add non-anointed brothers to their ranks as the so called overlapping generation ages. They are stuck in time, Fred Franz time.